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Tenebrous the Ancient |
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Airwalks = Win
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Klaitu |
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Quote: Yes, let's legalize child pornography, put porn on public TV and teach sex ed in the second grade. That will surely make everything better! |
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Tenebrous the Ancient |
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LOL!
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RaDian FlGith |
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Legalize child pornography? Which part of Europe have YOU been visiting?
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FiRe232 |
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France! Everyone is naked in France...and hairy...and smelly
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Great Lakes Goldberry |
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I love a good mum Lusty :)
But yes, my parents are UBER involbed in my every day comings and goings STILL and Im 23. Then again, Ive never done drugs either....... |
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Klaitu |
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Denmark
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Redlowwinski |
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no one said anything about legalizing child porn, Klaitu.
That is a fallacy of logic.. a slippery slope if I remember. All that is said is that we should take a lesson from Europe on the breasts. Imagine, if for some weird ass reason, our mouths were considered sexual objects (ok.. so maybe they are in some cases), and tv couldn't show mouths. It would be ridiculous. So in answer to it, we would be forced to wear masks over the lower portion of our faces. Then, there would be controversy anytime someone's mouth was exposed. Sounds like a lot of the countries in the middle-east, doesn't it? What the hell is the difference between it being controversial for a woman to show her face in public and a woman's boob being exposed in public? The next arguement is of course, why stop at breasts.. next we'll be exposing our asses in public and then our no-no zones, you're going to say. Yeah, it has to stop somewhere, but again, when women are cutting up their boobs and putting crap in them to make them bigger, something has to stop. |
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Klaitu |
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Well, there is such a thing as modesty, and such a thing as humility.. not to mention the fact that when someone is naked, it is everyone else who has to see them.
but so long as we are rationalizing things.. why not child porn? I mean after all, it's just photos of the beautiful human body, right? It's not like naked children are inherantly evil or anything.. or are they? And if child porn is just an expression of love, then why not beastiality. Why not just make beastialty public domain.. after all, it's just people expressing their love for an animal. I'm sure that lots of people would appreciate that during the superbowl. It might be shocking, but who are we to judge those people? Right? It's just a matter of where you want to draw the line, or even if you want to draw a line at all. I think it's pretty safe to say that the vast majority of people think public nudity crosses that line.. especially on live TV. |
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Elijah the Warrior |
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I think it's Wal-Mart's fault.
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LadyLustUO |
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"no-no zones"
I have NEVER in my whole (place noticeable pause here)......nineteen yrs of life heard them called "no-no zones". LOL ! ~ Lady Lust ~ |
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Redlowwinski |
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I think it's pretty safe to say that the vast majority of people think public nudity crosses that line.. especially on live TV.
No, the polls showed most people didn't give a @#%$ about the boob exposure on tv. Second, er.. there's a huge difference between child porn and an adult woman showing her nipple. Presumably, the adult woman (unless drunk) knows what she's doing. A child is not mature enough to understand and/or is being forced to pose nude. edit: lust, watch MadTV hehe |
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Klaitu |
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Quote: Quote: So, actually the polls showed that 28% of people didn't care about the exposure on TV. The other 72% found it in bad taste. Quote: Why is there a "huge difference"? If we don't care about the taboos of society, and we don't care about morality, then why not? Why should it matter if the child knows or dosen't know what he or she is doing? We're looking out for Number 1 here, we can't be concerned about trivial things like right and wrong. Aside from that, there are plenty of full-grown adults who don't know what they're doing, so I'm not exactly sure why being aged past 21 is an automatic "ok" to look at. Is there any difference from when they were 20 years, 364 days old? |
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RaDian FlGith |
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Why is it that in things that revolve around sexuality, people go flying off the deep end and into incest, pedophilia, and beastiality? Answer me this, Klaitu... what is it about the female breast that makes it so much different than the male breast? Yes, that's right... the ability to feed a child. It is our ignorant society that has sexualized the breast. The female breast has no more to do with sex than the male breast. And yet men walk around all the time without shirts on.
But you're right. An exposed breast... hell, we might as well show an 8 year old being @#%$ by a goat, right? Homosexuals are all pedophiles, and exposed breasts lead to beastiality. All this line drawing, and all that's being drawn are conclusions based off of incomplete thoughts. |
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Jakob Covenant |
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Child pornography is strictly illegal in Denmark:
235 of the Danish Penal Code " (1) Any person who commercially sells or otherwise disseminates, or who, with such an intention, produces or procures obscene photographs, films or similar objects of children shall be liable to a fine, to simple detention or to imprisonment for any term not exceeding six months. (2) Any person who possesses photographs, films or similar objects of children engaged in sexual intercourse or other sexual relation other than sexual intercourse shall be liable to a fine. Similarly liable to a fine is any person who possesses photographs, films or similar objects of children engaged in sexual intercourse with animals or making use of objects in a grossly obscene manner. " www.interpol.int/Public/Children/SexualAbuse/NationalLaws/csaDenmark.asp Denmark has also ratified and is a signatory of the United Nation's Convention on the Rights of the Child, which seeks to end the exploitation of children thru pornography. Only two countries have not ratified the Convention on the Rights of the Child: Somalia and the United States of America. |
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Klaitu |
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Well, here's the "great link" and commonality.
First off, the female breast. With regard to sexuality and human behavior, the difference between the female breast, and the male breast is that the female breast is usually quite a bit larger, and rounder, and biologically is meant to attract the male of the species. With animals, it might be a mating call. It might be a pheremone, their butt might light up like a christmas tree.. it might be a particular arrangement of feathers, or a certain walk, or any combination of the above. Each species has a version of "sexy", and for we humans, boobs are in that category. Why do guys check out girl's butts? It's not like guys dont have their own butts.. and what's more, they're pretty much the same as a woman's butt.. two lumps that you sit on. There isn't really a good explaination, but one thing is true: guys like girl's butts. So then, we all have boobs (either male or female variety), we all have butts, and we all have genitals (either male or female variety). Aside from the elements, why then do we even wear clothing at all? Would it have been more or less offensive if Justin Timberlake had pulled off a secret crotch panel on Janet's outfit? It's just body parts, right? So, now let's begin the link from Nudity, to porn, to sex, to freaky sex. Guys like to see girls naked. Why? Because it sexually excites them, and as you know there are no end to religious rules and commandments regarding sexual acts and thoughts. To put it simply, Public Nudity is wrong, at least according to 72% of people in that survey. Now folks like redlow and yourself come along, and attempt to rationalize why Public Nudity shouldn't be wrong, with arguments like "it just expresses milk, what's the big deal?". What you've done here is thrown out the "moral" part of the equation.. again, in our society, the moral is coming from the Christian religion. Well, if we're going to throw out the moral to the equation, then we must throw out the morals on every situation. What then, would a moral-less society be like? Why is murder wrong? Why is stealing wrong? Why is child pornography wrong? Why is beastiality wrong? In a world with no morals, nothing is wrong, and everything is right. So then, I can only assume that we're talking about some moral code, other than that which our society generally accepts. If we're going that route, then we need to come up with reasons why this new code is different. Let's compare pedophilia and premarital sex.. why is one okay, and the other not okay in this moral code? What about Beastiality? What makes it "wrong" in this moral code? What makes incest "wrong"? In Example, if you believe in the sanctity of love be it between man and woman, or between man and man, or woman and woman.. then what is wrong with love between brother and sister, man and dog, or man and child? Does love "know no bounds", or does it know bounds, but where those bounds are is inconsistant? This isn't anything that Christians haven't been asked over the years, and let's face it, their resposes are sometimes no more logical than they are consistant. So, why are all these things linked together sometimes in posts? It's not that "all homosexuals are pedophiles" or "exposed breasts leads to beastiality" it's because all of these things are considered "wrong" for identical reasons. If you change the reason for one, and make it right, then you have to change the reason for all of them to make it all right. |
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Klaitu |
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Jakob, in Denmark particularly, the definition of children is "age 14 and below" additionally, it only counts as pornography if the child is engaged in a sexual act.. in Denmark that is.
A picture of a 15 year old posing nude would therefore be legal to possess. But if you want to go nitpicky with it, there are many countries where child pornography is completely legal such as Russia. Then there are countries where child porn is illegal, but the law is not enforced.. like Japan. |
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Jakob Covenant |
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But Klaitu, your statement was that child pornography was legal in Denmark, and that made it seem that 6 year-olds were posing having intercourse for the cameras, and the Danes did not care.
Child pornography is also illegal in Russia: V. Child pornography ---------------------------------------------------------- Article 242 Unlawful distribution of pornographic material or objects Unlawful preparation for purposes of distribution or advertisement of pornographic materials or objects, and likewise the unlawful trade in printed matter, films, or video materials, depictions or other objects of a pornographic character, are punishable by a fine in the amount of from 500 to 800 times the amount of the minimal labour wage or in the amount of the labour wage or other income of the convicted person for a period from 5 to 8 months, or by imprisonment for a term of up to 2 years. A couple of years ago, Russia and US agencies worked jointly to bust a major pornography ring, this would not have happened if Russia allowed child pornography. Japan: laws banning child pornography and prostitution came into effect in Japan on 1 November 1998. Specifically, the law bans the production, distribution, sale, possession and trading of child pornography in any forms, including over the Internet. Violators will face up to 3 years in jail or a fine of up to 3 million yen (US$28,800). |
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RaDian FlGith |
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Klaitu, it is precisely that "if one thing is right, everything must be right" arguement that people use to justify keeping everything the way it was. "Oh, well if we let two guys get married, we have to legalize murder."
Your arguement about female breasts is silly. Some men are attracted to a woman's eyes. Should we then poke out all women's eyes so men don't have immoral thoughts? And the arguement about showing off her crotch is equally silly. Genitalia are part of the reproductive system. A woman's breasts are not. They are designed to feed a child after birth, and that's as close to reproduction as they come. You cannot get a woman pregnant by ejaculating on her bossom. Yes, yes, the "morals" of our society are Christian morals. Because 57% of the country are made up of Protestants. Except that in our society there is a difference between religious morality and legal morality (as there should be... this is SUPPOSED to compensate for the differences in religions... even two sects of Christianity don't necessarily agree with each other... Baptists, Lutherans, Episcopaleans... they all have their own views on religion... if they were the same, they wouldn't have their own little sects). As far as your Danish Defense, why didn't you choose Luxemburg or Vatican City? If your defense as to legalized child porn in Europe is Denmark, it's pretty weak. With regards to Russia and Japan, your arguement continues to get weaker. www.cnn.com/2001/LAW/03/2...d.porn.02/ I do not think that child porn is legal in Russia. Tell you what though... there's a Nations of the World song by the Animaniacs, and it'll supply you a great list of countries to name next in your list of legalized kiddie porn. It starts like this: United States, Canada, Mexico, Panama, Haiti, Jamaica Peru... The world is not as immoral as you would like to think. And again, an exposed breast does not lead to murder, theft, beastiality, pedophilia, Haiti, Jamaica, or Peru. |
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Redlowwinski |
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"To put it simply, Public Nudity is wrong, at least according to 72% of people in that survey."
No, you are reading into the poll result. 72% of the people in the survey said it was IN BAD TASTE. They did *NOT* say it was immoral. In bad taste can mean a lot of things. Some examples: 1. Yes, it COULD mean they think it was immoral. 2. They could think it was rude for one person to rip another person's clothing. 3. They could see it as nothing but a publicity stunt.. and thus, pathetic and distasteful. 4. It could just be a matter of legality. The law says breasts are not to be exposed on television. Therefore, it was in bad taste. I would also point out that, yes, perhaps the breast is an organ designed to attract members of the opposite sex. So what? The bellybutton was at one time also considered taboo to be shown on television. Imagine the shock and horror if a woman's bellybutton were accidently shown! But look at today - it's shown all the time. And now that it is shown, I don't hardly see anyone OBSESSING over it. You don't see women having surgery on their bellybutton to make it sexier. Society evolves as we learn. There were a lot of things women were once not allowed to show. It was taboo to show your ankle, it was taboo to show your legs. Why? Because they were a part of the female body.. and the female body needed to be covered. In Asia, women who had small FEET were considered sexy, and consequently they broke their feet to make them smaller. Is that any different than women today cutting open their breasts and getting implants? The male's obsessive neurosis over women's bodies has put women through all kinds of insane bulls*it. If you think the fact that it is now OKAY for women to show their ankles, to show their legs, to show their bellybuttons has somehow led to the moral decline of America, you're naive beyond what words can explain. Allowing women to go topless if they choose will be no different than allowing them to show their ankles in public. There may be some immediate public chaos, but once the dust settles, we'll be in a better shape, and I think you would find that neurotic boob obsession men have would go away owning to the fact that boobs would no longer be this mystical hidden area of a woman's body that we find SO ATTRACTIVE only because we are taught that we are NOT SUPPOSED TO SEE THEM. |
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